E2_3G.001. Rev Robert
Thomson of Glenroy Church of England with Miss Annie Wiseman walking home from
church. Courtesy Moreland Libraries.
This image was
catalogued along with images of an unnamed soldier and a group of three others standing on Pascoe
Vale Road, Glenroy that were the subject of my last post, and so I have
assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that there is some sort of connection between the
images.
This photo appears on
page 132 of Andrew Lemon’s book Broadmeadows with the caption ‘Rev
Robert Thomson walks Miss Annie Wiseman home from church, looking north along
Blenheim Street.’ And like the previous photos, I have spent a long time trying
to find out more about Rev Thomson and Annie Wiseman.
The man is in uniform.
We’re told he is Rev Robert Thomson, who was the Church of England clergyman
based at St Matthews in Glenroy Road, Glenroy from 1917 to 1920. However, the
identification of the man as Rev Thomson is problematic, because I can find no
evidence that he served. He is not listed as a Chaplain or as an enlisted
man. So is this really Rev Thomson? And
if it is not him, is it possible to discover his identity? He does not seem to be the same person as the man featured in the previous photos. Although they are both tall men, one is wearing a greatcoat and slouch hat and the other wears a cap (an officer's cap, perhaps). Then again, perhaps it is the same man and the photos were taken on different days.
If you're interested in finding out more about the role of chaplains during the war, there is an interesting
article on Army Chaplains during WW1 on the Australian War Memorial website.
You can read that here.
We are told that the woman
is Annie Wiseman. She was the daughter of Albert Wiseman who built ‘Ashleigh’ in Widford
Road. Annie was born in 1875, so was 43 when this photo was taken. She didn’t
marry, so if the suggestion here is that they’re ‘walking out’, the courtship
did not lead to marriage.
The photographer is facing
north. We are told that this is Blenheim Street, which runs north off Glenroy Road. The Sands
& McDougall Directory of 1915 records that the only house in the street was
occupied by Arthur Ernest Wiseman, solicitor, Annie’s brother. So the
connections to the Wiseman family are clear.
It's been frustrating
not being able to discover more about Rev Robert Thomson and his supposed war
service. Despite many hours of research, I could find very little about the man
at all, suggesting that he may not have been in Victoria very long. He was
Robert John Thomson and had been at Yarram before coming to Glenroy, but I
could find no other trace of him in Victoria. His history here seems to start
in 1916 at Yarram, continues from 1917 at Glenroy and ends with his departure from Glenroy in 1920. That search
was made more difficult because there was another Rev Robert Thomson, a Presbyterian,
who lived in the Smeaton area and whose name appeared in the newspapers on
numerous occasions. With nothing to guide me, I don't even know how old he was. And during lockdown it isn't possible to consult the Anglican Historical Society to find out more. So he will have to stay floating in his Glenroy 'bubble' until it is possible to do more research.
Of Annie Wiseman I can
say more. In November 1938, Annie, aged 65, and her 17 year old niece Phyllis
were murdered in Annie’s home on the corner of Melbourne Avenue and Salisbury
Street, opposite the Glenroy Railway Station. Annie had lived there for about
20 years, so this must have been the home they were walking to when this photograph was taken.
Age, 14 November 1938
Aerial view of murder
scene of Annie Wiseman and niece Phyllis, 1938. Image I9_1G.001. Courtesy Moreland
Libraries.
Phyllis Wiseman's family lived in
the country and she lived with another Glenroy-based aunt during the week and with Annie on
the weekends. It was her bad fortune that she was staying with Annie at the
time of the fatal assault.
Courtesy Moreland Libraries.
If you can add anything to the story of the photos featured here, or can suggest other ways that I might find more information on Rev Robert Thomson, I'd love to hear from you.
Hi Cheryl,
ReplyDeleteMinisters of Religion can be tricky. I had a challenge identifying a YMCA fellow whose photo was taken with the men quarantined at Torrens Island in 1919. You can see his photo towards the bottom of this page:
http://empirecall.pbworks.com/w/page/139892598/HMT-Boonah-quarantined-at-Torrens-Island%2C-1919
It took a long time to figure it out, and eventually a name turned up for a YMCA representative in a newspaper story about the Boonah - a letter in the paper I think. With the name I was able to discover that the man was a Baptist Minister. He never served as a Chaplain with the AIF, and is not in the Chaplains list. Nor is he on the Embarkation Roll for the Boonah, which departed Australia in 1918, but was turned around when the war ended, and then had an outbreak of flu which prevented the ship returning quickly. So there in the photo is a Baptist Minister representing the YMCA, in uniform, but has no AIF record. There were other Chaplains who went into the camps but did not serve overseas. I don't know if they wore uniforms or not, but they are not recorded as enlisted.
Here's an example of another Chaplain who served in home camps in Australia for a couple of years, left Australia as a YMCA representative, and ended up enlisting in the AIF while in England in 1919. So no embarkation roll for him either. Whether he wore a uniform while working in the camps in Australia I don't know, but it presents a bit of a black hole in terms of records of religious ministers serving with the AIF.
http://empirecall.pbworks.com/w/page/50485660/Potter-S-M-Chaplain
I did wonder whether he served at Broadmeadows Camp, given its proximity to Glenroy. The man's an enigma. He appears at Yarram in 1916 and disappears once he leaves Glenroy in 1920. Without extensive research I doubt I'll ever know. Mind you, once lockdown is over I can approach Archives and also check out the history of the church that is featured on the Victorian Collections website. Until then, I won't be pursuing it further.
DeleteNow that I have actually re-read Potter's record, I see he was a chaplain with the CMF, of which there are no records. They would undoubtedly have been in uniform. Was there a biography of Thomson?
ReplyDeleteOK. CMF hadn't occurred to me, but a possibility. Given that Rev Thomson is listed in SMDs of the war years and is featured in Marriage notices in the newspapers, he must have remained in his parish, so couldn't really have served overseas. That's why I suspect he might have been a chaplain at Broadmeadows.
ReplyDeleteNot sure about a biography. If so, it hasn't made its way to any internet searches. He just appears in 1916 and disappears in 1920. A mystery. It's possible he moved to another state or was English and returned home after the war. But again, unless someone is able to provide some clues, it's almost impossible to follow up. Pity. I'm hoping church records might supply more detail, but that has to wait.